Weave Together the Fabric of Place

Frequently Asked Questions

Aspects

• Does the Deeps Aspect change which lands are Coastal by sinking lands?
  Yes. Lands are Coastal if they're adjacent to any Ocean, even one on another board.

  This can be rather inconvenient when the Coastal lands Invader Card shows up or against the Kingdom of Scotland, so be careful!
  Tags: Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Kingdom of Scotland, Weave Together the Fabric of Place

Definitions

• If Oceans are in play, and you Weave Together an Ocean with a Coastal Land, is the resulting joined land Coastal?
  Yes, for all purposes.

  A strict reading of the rules would say "only for Powers and Blight" (Ocean's Hungry Grasp) or "only for Blight removal/movement" (Scotland 5), because the joined land is not adjacent to itself, and "Coastal" means "adjacent to the Ocean". But that's super-wrong thematically, so it gets an exception-case.
  Tags: Land Types, Ocean In Play (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Kingdom of Scotland, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, 1 more...

Event Cards

• In the Visions Out of Time Event, what happens if multiple Omens end up in one land? How about if an Omen is temporarily out of the game due to being under Absolute Stasis?
  On the turn after Visions out of Time is drawn, in each land that's in the game and has Omens, gain 2 Fear, Ravage once, and Remove 1 Omen after the Ravage Step. Any leftover Omens (whether due to multiple Omens stacking up in one land or the Omens not being in a land at the relevant time) can be removed from the board to reduce clutter, since it's unlikely they will do anything relevant for the rest of the game.

  As a more thematic option, you can treat Omens as if they had the ability on the Event Card: "Starting next turn, after the Ravage Step: 2 Fear; Invaders Ravage; Remove this Omen." In that case, stacked Omens can cause multiple Ravages in one land, and Omens under Absolute Stasis will cause problems after Ravage Steps of future turns.
  Tags: Visions Out of Time, Absolute Stasis (Fractured Days Split the Sky), Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Bargain of Coursing Paths, 0 more...
• If you use Weave Together the Fabric of Place to join a land to the Ocean and the Event Relentless Optimism *(no Fear for destroying Towns/Cities)* comes out, can you get Fear when the effects wear off?
  Yes.

  All the effects wear off at the same time during Time Passes, so if you put Towns in the Ocean when Weave Together expires, Relentless Optimism is no longer active.

  Similar comments apply for other reasons Invaders might die during Time Passes (Health bonuses wearing off, etc.)
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Time Passes, Timing, Relentless Optimism, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, 2 more...

General Play

• What's the timing of ongoing effects expiring?
  All "this turn" effects wear off at the same time. For now, assume all normal Time Passes activity (discard, lose elements, clear damage, ongoing effects expire) is simultaneous. Cards like Gift of Constancy (which modify discarding Powers) or Unquenchable Flames work because they explicitly specify a timing.

  Rules for non-standard things that happen during Time Passes (like Shroud of Silent Mist's Slow and Silent Death) can be done before or after effects wearing off unless otherwise specified.

  If it ever becomes clear that there really ought to be some sort of internal ordering to Time Passes, we'll call out that ordering in whatever expansion / FAQ it becomes relevant.
  Tags: Time Passes, Timing, Defend, Action Modifiers, 33 more...
• If one of Shroud of Silent Mists lands is targeted with Vengeance of the Dead and Invaders have their Health boosted by an Event, when damaged Invaders die at the end of the turn when the health boost wears off, do you get the benefit of Vengeance of the Dead?
  No.

  The effect of Vengeance of the Dead (extra Damage when Towns/Cities are Destroyed) and the Health boost wear off at the same time in Time Passes, so you don't get the extra Damage. (Health bonuses also wear off during Time Passes, so you need Shroud of Silent Mists to prevent the healing for the Invaders to actually die.)

  Similar comments apply to other effects that wear off at the end of the turn.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Time Passes, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Vengeance of the Dead, Infinite Vitality, 3 more...
• If you "move" a piece to where it was (Range 0), does it still trigger effects like Wildfire's Blazing Presence?
  Yes, the piece has still formally moved. It never leaves the land, however, so would not trigger, e.g., Shifting Memory's Observe the Ever-Changing World, because the pieces in the land have not changed.

  Thematically, the piece has moved within the land.

  Note that if you use "add Presence" to instead reposition Presence already on the island (usually because you have run out – sidebar p.14 core rules), that is still considered an "add" rather than a "move".

  The Glossary entry for "move" was written before considering these cases.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Repositioning Presence, Move, Blazing Presence (Heart of the Wildfire), Wrap in Wings of Sunlight, 6 more...
• Can Strife move independently of the Invader piece it is attached to?
  No, the Strife only moves with that Invader and stays attached the entire way.

  For instance, Strife can not be divided separately from the Invader it's attached to when Weave Together the Fabric of Place expires, nor can it be moved independently by Bargain of Coursing Paths.
  Tags: Strife, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Terror Stalks the Land (Breath of Darkness Down Your Spine), Bargain of Coursing Paths, 1 more...

Invader Actions

• If a land matches an Invader Card multiple ways - eg, if the Stage III Jungle + Wetland comes up and Weave Together the Fabric of Place has been used to merge a Jungle with a Wetland - does it perform that action multiple times?
  No. Invader Cards check "what lands match the land type(s) printed on me and the rules for the current action?", then perform that action once in each matching land.
  Tags: Invader deck, Land Types, Weave Together the Fabric of Place

Power Cards

• If Weave Together the Fabric of Place joins lands from two different boards, what happens if an effect skips an entire Invader Card on one of those boards? (e.g., Dream of the Untouched Land)
  The land can still match the Invader Card due to being on the other board.

  In cases where multiple boards can be protected, like sacrificing Presence to New Cash Crops Take Hold, the land is only protected if both boards are skipped.
  Tags: Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Dream of the Untouched Land, New Cash Crops Take Hold
• If two lands are joined using Weave Together the Fabric of Place, is the conjoined land considered adjacent to itself?
  Changed ruling: No. (The old ruling was creating waaay too many weird edge cases.)
  

  The original ruling was made because the definition of "Coastal" is "adjacent to the printed Ocean", and a Coastal land Woven together with an in-play Ocean should definitely still be Coastal. Turns out it's much better to just rule that that's how it works.
  Tags: Land Types, Push, Move, Gather, 4 more...
• If you use Weave Together the Fabric of Place, what is the number of the conjoined land? Which board is it on?
  For land types based on contents ("a land with Blight") or geography ("a land adjacent to Mountains"), check the contents or geography of the conjoined land normally. Whether a land is Coastal bases off of its geography (whether it is adjacent to the printed Ocean area), so joining a Coastal land with an Inland land results in one big Coastal land. As a special exception, a land joined with the Ocean is still Coastal.

  For land types based on intrinsic (printed) characteristics (terrain, land number, Setup symbols, board), the conjoined land has the type of both original lands, even if this is normally impossible – you can create a land that's both Wetland and Jungle, both land #3 and land #1, has 4 Dahan setup symbols, and on both Board A and Board B.

  If you need to choose "the board" containing the conjoined land (e.g., Tsunami) or its "land number", you choose which single board or land number to use.
  Tags: Terrain, Land Types, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Tsunami, 2 more...
• If an inland and Coastal land get Woven Together by the Fabric of Place, can Ocean leave their Presence inland during Time Passes?
  No.

  The joint land is Coastal, but the split when Weave Together the Fabric of Place expires is considered a move, and Ocean's Presence cannot move to an inland land.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Ocean's Hungry Grasp, Volcano Looming High, Mountain Home (Volcano Looming High), 3 more...
• Do Defend effects stack normally with Weave Together the Fabric of Place?
  Yes, if you join a land with Defend 3 and another land with Defend 4, the combined land has Defend 7.

  Similarly, if one land was Isolated before the join, then the joint land will be isolated afterwards, or if Dahan got a Health bonus in one land, they would now get it in the joint land.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Isolate, Defend, Health, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, 0 more...
• Can Weave Together the Fabric of Place affect victory/loss condition X?
  Yes, Weave Together the Fabric of Place makes the lands one land for all purposes, including victory/loss for conditions like in the Dahan Insurrection scenario.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Victory and Defeat, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Kingdom of Scotland, Dahan Insurrection, 1 more...
• If Weave Together the Fabric of Place joins lands on two adjacent boards, how does that work with "On each board" effects?
  The conjoined land is considered to be on both boards. An "on each board" effect could affect the conjoined land twice.
  Tags: On Each Board, Weave Together the Fabric of Place
• When Weave Together the Fabric of Place expires, what if pieces in the joined land can't be legally moved to one (or both) of the printed lands?
  If a piece can moved legally, it must be. If it can't be legally moved to any of the constituent lands, then it is cleaned up to one of them (player's choice which). This applies to all pieces, not just Invaders/Dahan.

  (Cleaning up is not an action, not considered a move, and does not trigger actions; it is a correction of the game state.)

  This can happen with, e.g., Presence placed in a normally-illegal location via Indomitable Claim.

  In the ridiculously rare edge case of two Woven lands which are both no longer lands, when Weave expires, clean up all Woven pieces as if they were illegally placed in one of the used-to-be-lands. (This may require judgment calls.) If this ever arises naturally, you win an edge-case award.
  Tags: Illegally placed pieces, Weave Together the Fabric of Place
• Can you choose a land joined by Weave Together the Fabric of Place twice for a Fear card that asks each player to choose a different land?
  No, the joined land is no longer two different lands, and the two lands that went into making it don't exist independently at that time.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Weave Together the Fabric of Place
• If Weave Together the Fabric of Place joins lands on two adjacent boards, what happens if you destroy one of those boards with Cast Down Into the Briny Deep?
  It will destroy everything in the joined land, since it's on the board being Cast Down. (The land is on both boards.) If you target the conjoined land, you choose which single board to sink.
  

  If you want (player option) and you have a convenient item handy to mark a land as "destroyed, no longer exists", then Cast Down Into the Briny Deep will also destroy lands that are normally on other boards but were part of the destroyed board at the time of its destruction. (If this splits a board in two, lands on one side of the gap are considered Range 2 from lands on the other side.) But if you don't want to do this, or have no convenient way of marking the land as obliterated, it survives. Also, you can't do this for the Ocean, even if Oceans are in play.
  Tags: Player-convenience choices, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Cast Down into the Briny Deep

Scenarios

• When are Scenario Markers / Element Markers considered pieces?
  Nearly anytime they're placed on the board. The only exception is if they're purely a visual reminder, like in The Great River, or if used to mark Inner Lands for Guard The Isle's Heart. (JE p. 35, "Piece")

  This might be revisited if future content results in weird situations, as some of the cases are kind of borderline (eg: Rituals of the Destroying Flame), but for now the simplicity of "always" wins out.

  Element Markers placed on the board for Elemental Invocation are not considered "pieces" - the first printings of Jagged Earth considered them as pieces that were basically non-interactable (since they're not in any land); it's cleaner to just not count them as pieces at all.
  Tags: Element markers, Pieces, Changed rulings, Despicable Theft, 9 more...

Spirits and Innate Powers

• If playing with Ocean's Hungry Grasp and you Weave Together a land with an Ocean, how does that work? What if Ocean's Hungry Grasp loses all their Presence from that board?
  The joined land and all adjacent lands will be Coastal for all purposes, including Invader Actions. Invaders/Dahan already in the joined land don't trigger Ocean In Play (which Drowns after they move in), but when Weave Together wears off you can "move" pieces to the Ocean and Drown them. The joined land is a land all the time, not just for Powers/Blight, so other actions (Fear/Event/Invader/etc) affect it normally. Note that adding a piece (from, eg, a Build) is not the same as moving it; moving triggers Drowning, while adding does not.

  If OHG loses all Presence from the board, the joined land remains in play (and retains the printed Ocean area as part of its topology, so makes adjacent lands Coastal), but Ocean In Play no longer applies to it, so Invaders/Dahan aren't Drowned after moving there and it's no longer a Wetland for purposes of Powers/Blight (unless it's a Wetland for other reasons).

  In the extremely weird event that two Oceans are Woven directly together (via Finder of Paths Unseen) and OHG loses their Presence from both of them, the joined land stops being a land, but remains topologically joined. (This is possibly relevant if playing with an Archipelago.)
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Land Types, Archipelago, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Open the Ways (Finder of Paths Unseen), 3 more...
• What happens if 1 or more Invaders/Dahan moved into the Ocean aren't successfully destroyed by the Ocean in Play special rule?
  Push them to non-Ocean lands (as part of the same action). If the Push also fails somehow (perhaps due to Isolate), the pieces will be left in an illegal state and cleaned up to the nearest land after all triggered actions complete – human pieces cannot remain in the Ocean between "action trees" (a primary action and all other actions following from it). Regardless, Ocean's Hungry Grasp does not get Energy for them.

  This isn't formally specified on Ocean's panel because it's virtually never relevant with just the core game, and spelling it out would both take up a lot of space and needlessly increase complexity / confusion-potential for players who only have the base game. However, it becomes very relevant when playing vs. The Habsburg Monarchy Lvl 4+ (Jagged Earth), which blunts "Destroy Town" effects; see this FAQ if you need details.

  The fact that the Push is part of the triggered action means that it can trigger further actions – e.g., Melt Earth Into Quicksand or Call to Guard in the land Pushed to – which cleaning up illegally placed pieces does not do.

  As a very specific edge-case, if the Ocean is also a normal land due to Weave Together the Fabric of Place, humans can hang out there without trouble (until end of turn when the effect expires).
  Tags: Illegally placed pieces, Triggered Actions, Push, Durable, 5 more...