Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)

Frequently Asked Questions

Aspects

• Can a land sunk by Deeps be targeted with Powers?
  Yes, but only insofar as it's part of the entire Ocean on that board, and that Ocean as a whole can be targeted (if Ocean's Hungry Grasp is still present on the board).

  It's impossible to only target the part of that Ocean that was formally a particular land in the same way that it's impossible to only target the left side of a printed land, or only target part of a joined land created by Weave Together the Fabric of Place.
  Tags: Targeting, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Ocean In Play (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• Does Deeps flipping Deeps tokens into markers count as changing the pieces in a land for the purpose of Observe the Ever-Changing World?
  Yes, since the Deeps tokens are no longer pieces in the land.

  However, this rarely matters. Reclaimed by the Deeps will almost certainly change the contents of the land anyway by doing at least one of:

  • Destroying the last Towns/Cities
  • Drowning all Explorers/Dahan
  • Pushing all but 2 Deeps
  • Merging into the existing Ocean, if it has any pieces in it.
    Tags: Pieces, Observe the Ever-Changing World (Shifting Memory of Ages), Shifting Memory of Ages, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 0 more...
• Does a land sunk by the Deeps Aspect still have [printed trait]?
  Generally, no. The now-expanded Ocean does not gain the terrain, land number, or setup symbols of the sunken land.

  However, the expanded Ocean is adjacent to any lands the sunken land was adjacent to — at least those that are not already part of the Ocean.
  Tags: Terrain, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• What happens when the Deeps Aspect expands an Ocean onto another board? How about if it connects two Oceans from different boards?
  When the Deeps Aspect sinks a land, that land becomes part of the Ocean on its board, whether or not it's actually adjacent to the printed Ocean on that board.

  By expanding in from another board, it's thus possible to make an Ocean that's split into two parts: the printed Ocean and the bay formed from the Ocean on another board. Since the two parts make up a single Ocean, they're one land any time the Ocean is treated as a land, all pieces in one are also in the other, etc. While it may be more thematic for each land to become part of the Ocean it was sunk from, playing that way ends up raising a bunch of extra rules questions and requires extra tracking.

  Connecting two Oceans from different boards just means that those Oceans are now adjacent to each other; they don't merge into a mega-Ocean.
  Tags: Island Boards, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• When happens to the Deeps tokens left over by Reclaimed by the Deeps? Can they be used to sink other lands if they can somehow get moved (e.g., by Weave Together the Fabric of Place)? If they are moved, does that un-sink the land they were in?
  The remaining Deeps tokens become reminder markers, which are just helpful reminders to players of which areas of the board are part of the Ocean. Reminder markers don't interact with anything on the island and don't do anything as far as the rules are concerned.

  In particular, they can't be moved and aren't Deeps tokens for future uses of Reclaimed by the Deeps.
  Tags: Pieces, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• Does Damage from the Deeps Aspect drown Invaders?
  No, only drown Invaders if the instructions use the word "Drown," as in the second threshold.
  Tags: Damage, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Drowning (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• Does the Deeps Aspect change which lands are Coastal by sinking lands?
  Yes. Lands are Coastal if they're adjacent to any Ocean, even one on another board.

  This can be rather inconvenient when the Coastal lands Invader Card shows up or against the Kingdom of Scotland, so be careful!
  Tags: Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Kingdom of Scotland, Weave Together the Fabric of Place
• When Reclaimed by the Deeps sinks a land that has no adjacent lands (not even the Ocean), what happens to the Deeps tokens?
  Since there are no lands to Push the Deeps Tokens to, those tokens stay in place. Since they're all "remaining Deeps," they get flipped and become reminder markers.
  Tags: Push, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• What happens when Fragments of Yesteryear is used on a land that has become part of the Ocean due to Deeps?
  Nothing particularly useful unless you're trying to remove Blight.

  You can't target an area that used to represent a particular sunken land, only the entire Ocean on that board. All of the former lands that make up the expanded Ocean lost their Setup Symbols during the merge. You'll remove Presence, Tokens, and Blight, and add nothing back (except possibly Ocean's Presence if using the thematic option for the Power).
  Tags: Fragments of Yesteryear, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)
• What happens to pieces left in a land when Deeps sinks it?
  On the off chance that Invaders or Dahan survive the sinking, they are cleaned up into the nearest legal land — this is not considered a move, is not an Action, and does not trigger anything, it is simply a correction of the game state. This happens only once you are not in the middle of an Action, and there are no pending triggered Actions (i.e., after each Action tree), just before checking for victory/defeat.

  All other pieces remain where they are, which means they are now in the Ocean on that board.
  Tags: Pieces, Illegally placed pieces, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp)

Effect Rules

• What does moving pieces towards or away from something mean? (e.g., Pushing pieces towards the nearest Ocean with "Sweep Into the Sea.") What if you move a piece Inland?
  Move the piece in a way that either decreases or increases (respectively) its Range from the key location. All game notions of "nearer" and "further" in effect text use Range – you never need a ruler, and a land that looks physically closer might not actually be at shorter Range!

  When you Push towards the Ocean with "Sweep Into the Sea," the land you Push to must be closer to the nearest Ocean than the land they're currently in. So, e.g., a land 2 away from its nearest Ocean could only Push to lands 1 away from that Ocean (Coastal to it). As with all ambiguous cases, if multiple Oceans are closest, you decide which one to consider "nearest".

  Similarly if you move a piece Inland, you move it further away from the Oceans collectively: each land it moves through must be further from the nearest Ocean than the land it came from. The piece can't move e.g., from a Coastal land on one board to a Coastal land on another board; even thought it's increasing its Range from the Ocean it was originally closest to (from Range 1 to Range 2), it's still just as close to an Ocean (Range 1).

  The routes most directly towards or away from something are an objective trait of the board layout and not affected by Isolate (just like how Isolate doesn't change which lands are Coastal), though the routes can be altered by something that changes the board topology for all purposes, like "Weave Together the Fabric of Place." Isolate can still stop Invader pieces from moving if they can't make progress on any of the shortest routes towards or away from something. Specific movement effects can overrule these restrictions, such as Isolate affecting which routes Thieves attempt to take to the coasts in the Despicable Theft scenario.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Range, Move, Isolate, Sweep into the Sea, 9 more...
• When instructed to "Repeat this Power", do you have to obey the origin/range/target land restrictions?
  Only if it doesn't tell you where to Repeat it. If a Repeat specifies where to use it, you obey those instructions, ignoring the original Range and Target restrictions (p. 19) and using the same origin land (for the rare cases where the Power's effect references that land).

  For example, "The Land Thrashes in Furious Pain" could be Repeated on an adjacent land without Blight.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Repeat, Targeting, Range, The Land Thrashes in Furious Pain, 19 more...

Elements and Elemental Thresholds

• Can the different thresholds of an innate power be used separately?
  No, the thresholds are all part of a single power. All effects must be used on the same target land (or same target Spirit), and you use the effects of every threshold you meet{1}, in the order they're printed{2}.

  For example, Lightning's Swift Strike's innate power of Thundering Destruction used with 5 Fire, 4 Air, and 1 Water can destroy two buildings in the same land, but it cannot destroy two buildings in different lands. Even the final threshold on Serpent Slumbering Beneath the Island's Serpent Rouses in Anger targets a single land, although it affects all lands on the board in addition to the one that it targets.

  One sort-of-exception: innate powers that say "Repeat this Power," like A Spread of Rampant Green's innate Creepers Tear into Mortar. When a power is Repeated, you use the power from the beginning, which means you can target a new land.

  {1} = You are allowed to pretend you have fewer Elements than you really do — e.g., to activate only the lower level of an innate — but that decision is made for the entire Power, not each threshold individually. Once you've chosen, you must activate every threshold those elements qualify for. Particularly, for Shadows Flicker Like Flames' innate power Darkness Swallows the Unwary, there is no set of elements which can activate the second threshold without also activating the first threshold. If you destroy 2 Explorers to earn fear, you must first gather an explorer (if able).

  {2} = Effects which modify Speed, Range, or targeting obviously apply when you check Speed / Range / targeting.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Elements, Lightning's Swift Strike, A Spread of Rampant Green, Serpent Slumbering Beneath the Island, 15 more...
• Can you use the threshold effects of Innate Powers, even if you can't use the effects above them?
  Yes, each line is evaluated independently, depending on the Elements you activate the power with.

  (You are allowed to pretend you have fewer Elements than you actually have, but need to be consistent for the whole power.)
  (Discussion elsewhere) (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Elements, Sparking Aspect (Lightning's Swift Strike), Haven Aspect (River Surges in Sunlight), Foreboding Aspect (Shadows Flicker Like Flame), 54 more...

General Play

• Can a land have multiple copies of a given token (e.g., two Disease)? Can multiple Strife be attached to a single Invader?
  Yes and yes.

  How this works depends on the token.

  • Badlands: Each Badlands token separately contributes its Damage bonus to each action that deals Damage in the land.
  • Disease: When Invaders would Build in that land, skip the Build Action, remove one Disease, and leave the rest of the Disease in the land.
  • Strife: When the Invader the Strife is attached to would deal Damage to the land or to Dahan, remove one Strife from that Invader, reduce the Damage dealt by that Invader to 0, and leave the rest of the Strife attached to the Invader.
  • Vitality: When Blight would be added to that land, remove one Vitality per added Blight to prevent that Blight from being added, leaving the rest of the Vitality in the land.
  • Wilds: When Invaders would Explore in that land, skip the Explore Action, remove one Wilds, and leave the rest of the Wilds in the land.

  And all tokens (including Beasts tokens and Deeps tokens) get counted separately for effects that scale with the number of those tokens in the land (e.g., "1 Damage per Beasts token.")
  Tags: Beasts, Strife, Disease, Badlands, 6 more...
• If you create a land with no adjacent lands, how do things like Blight cascades or Push work? Can you target it from lands Range 2+ away?
  

  • There are no adjacent lands to add Blight to, so cascades don't add Blight in an adjacent land. (Anything that replaces cascades, like Habsburg Mining Expedition's Level 1 "Avarice Rewarded" effect, still happen.)
  • You can't Push/Gather anything (unless you can Push to a land 2 away / Gather from a land 2 away – e.g., Many Minds Move as One – and there's a land 2 away, see below).
  • Whether you can target the land depends on whether you can measure Range from your Presence to it. If you made a disjoint land via the combination of "Cast Down into the Briny Deep" and "Absolute Stasis", yes, because the land is Range 2 from other lands. But if you completely wall off a land by Repeating "Absolute Stasis," then there's no way to measure Range to it, so the only way to target Powers there would be to either have Presence in the land or the ability to ignore range (e.g., Finder of Paths Unseen).

  Note that Isolate is NOT usually sufficient to generate any of these situations, since it only affects adjacency for Invader pieces (JE rules, p. 10).
  Tags: Island Boards, Push, Range, Targeting, 9 more...

Power Cards

• What happens if Cast Down into the Briny Deep sinks a board where a land is under Absolute Stasis?
  If you want and you have a convenient coaster or other object that can represent the Stasis'd land, then the Stasis'd land survives. If it is disjoint from the rest of the island, consider it Range 2 from the land(s) nearest to it, per the Archipelago rules in Jagged Earth. If you don't want to do this, or have no convenient way of representing a single land, then Cast Down into the Briny Deep overwhelms the Stasis, ending its effects and affecting the land normally.

  If by doing this you create a land with no adjacent lands, see this FAQ for how, e.g., Blight Cascades work.

  Similarly, if the Deeps aspect of Ocean's Hungry Grasp creates a land separated by ocean from the rest of the island, consider it Range 2 to cross the ocean for all purposes, including (e.g.) Growth.
  Tags: Player-convenience choices, Absolute Stasis (Fractured Days Split the Sky), Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 0 more...

Scenarios

• When playing Elemental Invocation, what happens to Element Markers on the border of lands sunk by Deeps or Destroyed by Cast Down Into the Briny Deep?
  If the Element Marker is still on the border of a land, it interacts normally with Powers and other Element Markers. It still counts as being on a corner; it's just not necessarily at the intersection of multiple lands.

  If the Element Marker is completely contained within a land because all lands surrounding it have been merged, then it's no longer on a land border at all and only counts towards Choice Events.
  Tags: Element markers, Elemental Invocation, Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 1 more...

Spirits and Innate Powers

• If playing with Ocean's Hungry Grasp and you Weave Together a land with an Ocean, how does that work? What if Ocean's Hungry Grasp loses all their Presence from that board?
  For all purposes, the joined land is: a land (since one of its components is a land), an Ocean (since one of its components is an Ocean), Coastal, and the terrain(s) of its land component(s). For Powers and Blight only, "Ocean in Play" makes it a Wetland if it wasn't one already. Since it's an Ocean, every land adjacent to it is Coastal for all purposes.

  Invaders/Dahan already in the joined land don't trigger "Ocean in Play," which Drowns Invaders/Dahan after they move into the Ocean, but isn't triggered by them just existing there. When "Weave Together the Fabric of Place" wears off during Time Passes, you can "move" those pieces to the Ocean and Drown them.

  Invader, Event, Adversary, Scenario, Fear Card, and Blight Card Actions affect the joined land normally, since it's a land for all purposes, not just for Blight and Powers. Any Invaders/Dahan moved into the joined land are drowned by "Ocean in Play," since the joined land is an Ocean. Note that adding a piece (from, e.g., a Build Action) is not the same as moving it, so Invaders/Dahan added in the land aren't immediately drowned (though they can still be drowned when the joining expires in Time Passes).

  If Ocean's Hungry Grasp loses all Presence from that board, the joined land remains in play, since one of its constituent parts is a land. It retains the printed Ocean area as part of its topology and is still an Ocean, so adjacent lands continue to be Coastal. "Ocean in Play" no longer applies to it, so Invaders/Dahan aren't Drowned after moving there, and it's no longer a Wetland for purposes of Powers/Blight (unless it's a Wetland for other reasons). When the joining expires in Time Passes, all of the pieces in the joined land must be "moved" into the in-play component land(s); they can't be "moved" into the out-of-play Ocean.

  In the uncommon case that two Oceans are Woven directly together (via Finder of Paths Unseen or the Deeps Aspect) without being woven with a land, none of the above applies; the joined Ocean is just both boards' Ocean and behaves as Oceans normally do when subject to "Ocean in Play." In the extremely rare case that Ocean's Hungry Grasp then loses their Presence from both boards, the joined Ocean stops being a land for Powers and Blight, but remains topologically joined. (This is possibly relevant if playing with an Archipelago.)
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Land Types, Archipelago, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Open the Ways (Finder of Paths Unseen), 5 more...
• If two distinct Oceans are made adjacent somehow (e.g., via Open the Ways), can Ocean’s Hungry Grasp Push/Gather Presence between them with its Growth Options?
  Sure! It’s a bit ambiguous whether or not this works (and why) based on the exact wording of Ocean in Play, but there isn’t any harm in being permissive in this case.
  Tags: Ocean's Hungry Grasp, Ocean In Play (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Open the Ways (Finder of Paths Unseen), Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 0 more...