Cast Down into the Briny Deep

Frequently Asked Questions

Adversaries

• For Durable Invaders from Habsburg Monarchy (Livestock Colony) Level 4, what exactly counts as a ‘Destroy all’ effect?
  Only “Destroy everything” or “Destroy all (piece) (in a land or lands)”, like “Destroy all Explorer/Town.” Effects limiting the destruction by something the piece has or did (e.g., “is damaged”, “was just moved”, “has Strife”) are not considered “destroy all” and are converted to Damage like all other destroy effects.

  This is most relevant for Ocean's Hungry Grasp, which has “After Invaders/Dahan are moved into the Ocean, Destroy them”; since this limits what gets destroy to “pieces that moved”, it's not a “destroy all”.
  Tags: Durable, Destroy, Habsburg Monarchy (Livestock Colony), Ocean In Play (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 2 more...

Effect Rules

• What does moving pieces towards or away from something mean? (e.g., Pushing pieces towards the nearest Ocean with "Sweep Into the Sea.") What if you move a piece Inland?
  Move the piece in a way that either decreases or increases (respectively) its Range from the key location. All game notions of "nearer" and "further" in effect text use Range – you never need a ruler, and a land that looks physically closer might not actually be at shorter Range!

  When you Push towards the Ocean with "Sweep Into the Sea," the land you Push to must be closer to the nearest Ocean than the land they're currently in. So, e.g., a land 2 away from its nearest Ocean could only Push to lands 1 away from that Ocean (Coastal to it). As with all ambiguous cases, if multiple Oceans are closest, you decide which one to consider "nearest".

  Similarly if you move a piece Inland, you move it further away from the Oceans collectively: each land it moves through must be further from the nearest Ocean than the land it came from. The piece can't move e.g., from a Coastal land on one board to a Coastal land on another board; even thought it's increasing its Range from the Ocean it was originally closest to (from Range 1 to Range 2), it's still just as close to an Ocean (Range 1).

  The routes most directly towards or away from something are an objective trait of the board layout and not affected by Isolate (just like how Isolate doesn't change which lands are Coastal), though the routes can be altered by something that changes the board topology for all purposes, like "Weave Together the Fabric of Place." Isolate can still stop Invader pieces from moving if they can't make progress on any of the shortest routes towards or away from something. Specific movement effects can overrule these restrictions, such as Isolate affecting which routes Thieves attempt to take to the coasts in the Despicable Theft scenario.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Range, Move, Isolate, Sweep into the Sea, 9 more...
• Is it possible to Remove, Replace, or Destroy an Incarna that is counting only at itself?
  Yes, with either Fragments of Yesteryear or thresholded Cast Down Into the Briny Deep. If you don’t have an easy way to get your Incarna back, using either of those Powers near your Incarna is not recommended.
  Tags: Destroy, Remove, Replace, Incarna, 2 more...

Elements and Elemental Thresholds

• When you hit the threshold of a Major Power, is the effect in addition to the base effect?
  Yes, unless the card says "instead", threshold effects are in addition to the base effect [p. 17].
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Elements, The Jungle Hungers, Tsunami, Vigor of the Breaking Dawn, 27 more...

General Play

• What happens if a piece winds up in a place or state it's not allowed to be?
  If the place still exists, then:

  • Pieces representing humans (Dahan / Invaders) are cleaned up to the closest legal land — this is not considered a move, is not an action, and does not trigger anything, it is simply a correction of the game state. This happens only once you are not in the middle of an action, and there are no pending triggered actions (i.e., after each action tree), just before checking for victory/defeat.
  • All other pieces remain where they are, but are considered out of play unless/until they're no longer in an illegal state.

  On the other hand, if the place was destroyed and pieces within it somehow survived the destruction, they all get cleaned up.

  This sort of thing can happen if pieces survive the sinking of a board (like Dahan via Infinite Vitality with threshold or Explorers via the Tsardom of Russia's A Sense for Impending Disaster), if an Ocean stops being a land (by Ocean's Hungry Grasp losing its Presence there) while other Spirits' Presence is there, or if Invaders/Dahan are left in the Ocean after an action but manage not to Drown in some way.

  If the nearest legal land is unclear, use your best judgment, based on physical distance if necessary. If there is literally no legal land to put the pieces in, return them to the supply; this is still considered cleaning up (not an action, not a move/remove/destroy, does not trigger anything).
  Tags: Pieces, Illegally placed pieces, Victory and Defeat, Action tree, 13 more...

Power Cards

• If you use Weave Together the Fabric of Place, what is the number of the conjoined land? Which board is it on?
  For land types based on contents ("a land with Blight") or geography ("a land adjacent to Mountains"), check the contents or geography of the conjoined land normally. Whether a land is Coastal bases off of its geography (whether it is adjacent to the printed Ocean area), so joining a Coastal land with an Inland land results in one big Coastal land. As a special exception, a land joined with the Ocean is still Coastal.

  For land types based on intrinsic (printed) characteristics (terrain, land number, Setup symbols, board), the conjoined land has the type of both original lands, even if this is normally impossible – you can create a land that's both Wetland and Jungle, both land #3 and land #1, has 4 Dahan setup symbols, and on both Board A and Board B.

  If you need to choose "the board" containing the conjoined land (e.g., Tsunami) or its "land number", you choose which single board or land number to use.
  Tags: Terrain, Land Types, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Tsunami, 2 more...
• What does the threshold effect of Infinite Vitality protect against?
  Anything that would Damage or Destroy Dahan in that land, whether Powers, invader Ravages, Events, etc.

  It does not protect against effects that "remove" or "replace" the Dahan.

  If the threshold effect of Cast Down into the Briny Deep is used, the Dahan can survive. They would then be moved to the nearest legal land (as per anytime an Invader/Dahan piece is left in an illegal place).
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Illegally placed pieces, Infinite Vitality, Cast Down into the Briny Deep
• Can you disconnect the island using Cast Down into the Briny Deep?
  Yes. For instance, if you sink the middle board in the "Coastline" layout variant 3-player game, there are now two island boards left. By default, there is no way to get from one board to the other, but if you want (player option), you may treat lands that were Range 2 from each other before the sinking as still being Range 2 after the sinking, per the Archipelago rules. (This can be annoying to track, which is why it's not a mandatory rule.)

  The Archipelago rules do not apply, since the coasts are not facing each other and it is not game setup.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Island setup, Archipelago, Player-convenience choices, Cast Down into the Briny Deep, 0 more...
• What happens if Cast Down into the Briny Deep sinks a board where a land is under Absolute Stasis?
  If you want and you have a convenient coaster or other object that can represent the Stasis'd land, then the Stasis'd land survives. If it is disjoint from the rest of the island, consider it Range 2 from the land(s) nearest to it, per the Archipelago rules in Jagged Earth. If you don't want to do this, or have no convenient way of representing a single land, then Cast Down into the Briny Deep overwhelms the Stasis, ending its effects and affecting the land normally.

  If by doing this you create a land with no adjacent lands, see this FAQ for how, e.g., Blight Cascades work.

  Similarly, if the Deeps aspect of Ocean's Hungry Grasp creates a land separated by ocean from the rest of the island, consider it Range 2 to cross the ocean for all purposes, including (e.g.) Growth.
  Tags: Player-convenience choices, Absolute Stasis (Fractured Days Split the Sky), Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 0 more...
• If you sink a board when playing against Russia Lvl 2+, does the Pushed Explorer have to leave the destroyed board?
  Technically, no — but if you try Pushing the Explorer to a land on the sinking board, it can't be destroyed a second time by the same action. It will end up in an illegal state and be placed in the closest legal land.
  Tags: Illegally placed pieces, Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Tsardom of Russia, Transforming Aspect (Heart of the Wildfire), 1 more...
• What happens if you destroy the entire island with Cast Down into the Briny Deep?
  You win a Sacrifice Victory (p. 12). You have won (since all the Invaders are destroyed) but you have also lost (since there is no Spirit presence left on the island).

  Thematically, it's also something of a Pyrrhic victory - but some Spirits of water and deep earth would survive.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Sacrifice victory, Cast Down into the Briny Deep
• If Weave Together the Fabric of Place joins lands on two adjacent boards, what happens if you destroy one of those boards with Cast Down Into the Briny Deep?
  It will destroy everything in the joined land, since it's on the board being Cast Down. (The land is on both boards.) If you target the conjoined land, you choose which single board to sink.
  

  If you want (player option) and you have a convenient item handy to mark a land as "destroyed, no longer exists", then Cast Down Into the Briny Deep will also destroy lands that are normally on other boards but were part of the destroyed board at the time of its destruction. (If this splits a board in two, lands on one side of the gap are considered Range 2 from lands on the other side.) But if you don't want to do this, or have no convenient way of marking the land as obliterated, it survives. Also, you can't do this for the Ocean, even if Oceans are in play.
  Tags: Player-convenience choices, Weave Together the Fabric of Place, Cast Down into the Briny Deep

Scenarios

• When playing Elemental Invocation, what happens to Element Markers on the border of lands sunk by Deeps or Destroyed by Cast Down Into the Briny Deep?
  If the Element Marker is still on the border of a land, it interacts normally with Powers and other Element Markers. It still counts as being on a corner; it's just not necessarily at the intersection of multiple lands.

  If the Element Marker is completely contained within a land because all lands surrounding it have been merged, then it's no longer on a land border at all and only counts towards Choice Events.
  Tags: Element markers, Elemental Invocation, Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Deeps Aspect (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), 1 more...

Spirits and Innate Powers

• If the Incarna of Towering Roots of the Jungle is destroyed in the middle of an action, do Invaders/Dahan/Beasts become vulnerable immediately?
  Yes, those pieces are vulnerable to any Damage or Destroy effects after that point. Usually the Incarna is destroyed by choosing to count it as a Presence when Blight is added.

  To cover some of the common situations:

  • Ravage (without other effects): The Dahan are protected by the Incarna, since it was present when they were dealt Damage. But the Incarna is gone during the Dahan counterattack, so the Invaders take Damage normally.
  • "Draw Towards a Consuming Void," "Drought," "Poisoned Land," "Pyroclastic Flow," "Pillar of Living Flame," "Volcanic Eruption": The Incarna is destroyed at the end of the base effect, so only the threshold can successfully deal Damage or destroy anything.
  • "Insatiable Hunger of the Swarm": The Incarna is destroyed at the beginning of the power, so doesn't protect anything.
  • "Cast Down Into the Briny Deep" threshold: The Incarna protects the Invaders/Dahan/Beasts in its land before being destroyed. Those pieces are then cleaned up for being in an illegal location.
    Tags: Ravage, Incarna, Draw Towards a Consuming Void, Drought, 8 more...
• What happens if Bringer of Dreams and Nightmares uses the threshold effect of Cast Down into the Briny Deep?
  Per its special rule, Bringer of Dreams and Nightmares will not destroy the targeted board, nor anything on the targeted board other than its own Presence. Since all the Invaders there would be destroyed, they instead are pushed and/or generate Fear, per Bringer of Dreams and Nightmares' usual rules.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Bringer of Dreams and Nightmares, To Dream a Thousand Deaths (Bringer of Dreams and Nightmares)
• When does Ocean's Hungry Grasp get to Drown invaders?
  Apart from specific power cards, Invaders are Drowned after they are moved into the ocean on a board where Ocean's Hungry Grasp has any Presence. They do not get drowned when moved in to any other land, and Ocean's Hungry Grasp does not need to have Presence that is actually in the ocean, just on the same board.

  They also do not get Drowned by any other means of Destroying the Invaders, even if it seems thematically appropriate. However an Invader is Drowned, they are Destroyed (causing Fear) and then placed on Ocean's mat for later conversion to Energy.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Drowning (Ocean's Hungry Grasp), Ocean's Hungry Grasp, Cast Down into the Briny Deep, Tsunami, 0 more...