Vengeance as a Burning Plague

Frequently Asked Questions

Effect Rules

• If a Badlands moves to a different land mid-action, can it boost Damage in both the original land and its new land?
  No — just once/action.
  Tags: Badlands, Beasts Prey on the Injured (Beasts Event), Vengeance as a Burning Plague, Wreak Vengeance for the Land's Corruption (Vengeance as a Burning Plague), 0 more...

General Play

• Is there an ordering or priority for action modifications? It seems weird that you can get a benefit from something being destroyed even if you save it from destruction.
  Yes:

  • First change quantity (eg: Pour Time Sideways);
  • Then do any canceling or replacement (eg: Flowing and Silent Forms Dart By / A Year of Perfect Stillness);
  • Finally do any other sort of additional or altered effects (eg: threshold on Instruments of Their Own Ruin).

  The practical upshot of this is mostly "you can't both prevent something from happening and do extra stuff because it's happening" - eg, if Volcano Looming High's Presence would be destroyed, but it's saved somehow, you don't get to deal damage.

  If a modifier cancels just part of something, modifiers to that part don't apply. Eg: Entrap the Forces of Corruption doesn't stop Blight from being added, but it does stop it from cascading, so another modifier which changed how cascades worked wouldn't apply.

  As before, if you have multiple modifiers with no clear order, you get to pick which happens first. For instance: you play Infestation of Venomous Spiders with threshold on a land with Dahan about to Ravage. A Fear Card says "Invaders do not Ravage in lands with Dahan". When that Ravage would happen, there are two different "skip this Ravage" modifiers. You get to decide which one to do first, so can choose it to be the Venomous Spiders. This wouldn't be true if the entire Ravage Step got skipped, or if the Ravage Card were changed to match different lands - those happen before you ever reach the individual Ravage Action – but as of JE, the only Fear cards that work this way are Explorers Are Reluctant and Immigration Slows, levels 2 and 3.

  This is an addition to published rules – the intent is that it will be included in the rulebook of a future expansion.
  Tags: Action Modifiers, Skipping Actions, Pour Time Sideways (Fractured Days Split the Sky), Flowing and Silent Forms Dart By, 19 more...

Scenarios

• When the players collectively perform the Ritual of Terror, whose Action is it?
  Rituals that are not explicitly associated with one Spirit are Spirit Actions for the purpose of anything that cares what type of Action they are (e.g., Vengeance as a Burning Plague destroying its Presence as part of a Ritual of Terror), but are not an individual Spirit's Action for the purpose of their Special Rules. (No, not even in solo play, for the sake of consistency.)

  In Rituals of the Destroying Flame, it is an individual Spirit doing the Action, and so is that Spirit's Action and can benefit from special rules that apply to their actions.
  Tags: Solo games, Actions, Rituals of Terror, Vengeance as a Burning Plague, 3 more...

Setup

• When setting a Spirit on a the thematic map, what happens if the setup instructions are impossible (e.g., adding Presence to a land with Blight when that board has no Blight).
  Either don't start that Spirit on that board or follow the instructions as best as you can, choosing freely when no lands meet the criteria given. [Jagged Earth Rulebook p. 6]

  When choosing freely, use theme as your guide — you're playing on the thematic map, after all!
  Tags: Thematic map, Spirit setup, Vengeance as a Burning Plague, Starlight Seeks Its Form, 6 more...
• If a Spirit has multiple legal ways to set up on the island, can it choose the one it likes best?
  Yes, when there are multiple choices that equally meet the setup conditions, the player gets to choose the one they like. For some Spirits, this will only happen on the thematic side or against specific Adversaries/Scenarios.
  Tags: Spirit setup, Thunderspeaker, A Spread of Rampant Green, Ocean's Hungry Grasp, 10 more...

Spirits and Innate Powers

• If Vengeance as a Burning Plague destroys Presence to prevent a penalty from a Blighted Land Event, does it get Disease from its 'Lingering Pestilence' special rule?
  A: Yes. Though Vengeance is making a choice both to destroy Presence and which Presence to destroy, the Event Action is what actually causes the destruction.
  Tags: Events, Actions, Vengeance as a Burning Plague
• Does the event Lingering Plagues *("....Ignore Disease during Builds this Invader Phase")* stop Vengeance from gaining Fear by letting Builds happen where there's Disease?
  No, Vengeance may still gain the Fear. Lingering Plagues should be read as "Disease doesn't prevent Builds this Invader Phase" - it modifies the same thing ("When Disease would prevent a Build") as The Terror of a Slowly Unfolding Plague, so you can choose to apply the latter first.
  (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Action Modifiers, Disease, Build, Lingering Plagues, 3 more...
• If Vengeance uses its 'The Terror of a Slowly Unfolding Plague' special rule to let Invaders Build in a land with multiple Disease, how much Fear does it generate?
  1 Fear total. The special rule checks if Disease would prevent a Build, not how much Disease is present.
  Tags: Fear, Disease, Vengeance as a Burning Plague, The Terror of a Slowly Unfolding Plague (Vengeance as a Burning Plague), 0 more...
• If Vengeance as a Burning Plague's presence is saved from destruction, does it still get to add a Disease?
  No. Both because of the phrasing "...where each Destroyed Presence was", which is meaningless if no Presence is actually destroyed; and because the replacement must be applied before other modifications.

  The phrasing on this is pretty unclear - "...where each Destroyed Presence was" is a check that should happen after Presence might be destroyed, not at the moment Presence might be destroyed. The rule would have been better done either as a triggered action ("After your Presence is destroyed..."), or phrased as "...instead Replace your Presence with a Disease".
  (Discussion elsewhere) (Discussion elsewhere)  Tags: Saved From Destruction, Vengeance as a Burning Plague, Flowing and Silent Forms Dart By
• Can Vengeance as a Burning Plague let the Habsburg Mining Expedition Ravage in Mining lands with Disease in order to earn Fear?
  Yes.

  The Terror of a Slowly Unfolding Plague modifies how Disease works, so Ceaseless Mining lets it apply to Ravages in Mining lands.
  Tags: Disease, Action Modifiers, Vengeance as a Burning Plague, The Terror of a Slowly Unfolding Plague (Vengeance as a Burning Plague), 1 more...