Do not participate in Ravage

Frequently Asked Questions

Adversaries

• Does making Explorers not participate in Ravage (e.g., with Lure of the Deep Wilderness) prevent "Competition Among Hunters" (The Tsardom of Russia Level 3) from causing Ravages?
  Yes.

  Since "Competition Among Hunters" modifies which lands match Ravage Cards, it only checks for Explorers that are participating in Ravage.
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• When Habsburg Mining Expedition Level 1+ resolves a Build Card, when does it check which lands are Mining lands (which will Ravage instead of Build)?
  When you start resolving the Build Card, determine which lands get Invader Actions and what type of Invader Actions those will be. Changing the number of Invaders in the land after that doesn't change the type of Action.

  If every Invader in a Mining land doesn’t participate in Ravage, that land gets no Invader Action; if only some aren’t participating, it’ll still get a Ravage Action, since whether or not a land is a Mining land isn’t affected by participation in Ravage (or lack thereof).

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Effect Rules

• If an Invader with Strife is not participating in a Ravage, does it still remove 1 Strife in that Ravage?
  No. Because it's not participating in Ravage, it's not doing any Damage that Strife would prevent.
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• Pieces that "do not participate in Ravage" are ignored for Ravages. Does this include checking for victory?
  No, that wasn't intended. Pieces not participating in an Invader Action are still counted for Victory / Defeat.
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• If pieces in a land aren't participating in Ravage, do they also sit out Ravage Actions in other lands?
  Yes, if a modifier to a Ravage checks for pieces in an adjacent land, it also checks if those pieces are participating in Ravage.

  As of the release of Nature Incarnate, this primarily matters in three cases:

  • When "Far-Flung Herds" (The Habsburg Monarchy Livestock Colony Level 6) checks for adjacent Towns in Ravage, it only counts participating Towns.
  • The threshold of "Instruments of their Own Ruin" can't make Ravaging Invaders deal Damage to adjacent Invaders that aren't participating in Ravage.
  • The Event "Network of Support and Trade" only scales its Defend with adjacent Dahan that are participating in Ravage.

  In the rather unusual case where you check if a piece is participating in Ravage for the purpose of one of the above modifiers and then that piece ends up in the Ravaging land mid-Ravage, it continues to either participate or not participate – whichever you originally determined – since participation (or lack thereof) lasts for the entire Ravage Action.

  Action triggered by Ravages, like "Vengeance of the Dead," don't check if Invaders in adjacent lands are participating or not. And similarly, the Fear Card "Tread Carefully" does not check for which Dahan are participating in Ravage, since it locks in its effects when it first resolves, rather than checking for participating pieces during the Ravage Actions themselves.
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• When an Invader with Strife is not participating in Ravage, is the Strife also ignored for modifiers to Ravage Actions?
  No, the Strife still counts as being in the land for Ravage Actions unless some effect is explicitly ignoring Strife.

  In particular:

  • The Fear Card "Beset by Many Troubles" still grants Defend based on that Strife;
  • The Event "Stricken" still skips the Ravage Action in that land;
  • The Event "Cooperation Among Towns" doesn't grant bonus Damage if any Towns/Cities are still participating in that Ravage;
  • Dahan in that land don't participate in Ravage if they're near the Incarna of Wandering Voice Keens Delirium (though this is also true for other reasons)
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• If a Dahan is not participating in Ravage, can it still grant Defend 1 in that Ravage from Bargains of Power and Protection or Canny Defense?
  No, if a piece is not participating in Ravage, it can’t grant Defend in that Ravage or count towards an effect that grants Defend in that Ravage. However, in the rare case that Invaders do Damage to the land or to the Dahan outside of a Ravage due to a Power or Event, the Dahan will grant Defend and reduce that Damage.

  This is only a problem for effects that apply to the entire island, and are thus rechecked every time they are relevant. Effects that check for or count Dahan in a single land lock in their Defend amount earlier in the turn.
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• If a piece only conditionally doesn't participate in Ravage, and that condition changes mid-Ravage, does the piece participate for the rest of the Ravage Action?
  No. If a piece isn't participating in Ravage, it sits out the whole Ravage Action.

  This most commonly arises for Wandering Voice Keens Delirium. If its Incarna is preventing Dahan from participating in Ravage in a land with Strife, that continues to be true even once Strife is removed to prevent Invader Damage there (or the Incarna is destroyed) – the Dahan don't get to switch back to participating for the counterattack portion of the Ravage. (If Dahan arrive in the middle of the Ravage due to a Blight Card, those new arrivals might be able to participate though.)
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Invader Actions

• If a piece is added or moved to a land mid-Ravage (e.g., by a Blight Card that flips during the Ravage), does that piece participate in the Ravage?
  Yes, generally speaking. Dahan counterattack if added or moved to the land by a flipping Blight Card (or anything it triggers), and any Invaders added or moved to the land by that Blight Card (or anything it triggers) can be dealt Damage by the counterattack. (The Invaders arrive too late to deal any Damage – Blight has already been added, after all.)

  Even more detailed/unusual corner-cases:

  If a "do not participate in Ravage" effect is in the land, check if the new pieces are included in it the moment the Ravage resumes (i.e., the first point in the Ravage that they're in that land). In particular:

  • If the Incarna of Wandering Voice Keens Delrium is nearby, newly-added/moved Dahan do not participate in the Ravage if any Strife is remaining (unlikely, unless an Invader had more than 1 Strife or "Exhale Confusion and Delirium" was used to prevent the Invaders with Strife from losing that Strife by participating in the Ravage); if all of the Strife is gone, the new Dahan will participate and counterattack (even if the original Dahan do not).
  • If the Incarna of the Lair Aspect is in the land, newly-arrived Dahan and Explorers don't participate in the Ravage unless they put the Incarna over its limit of non-participating pieces. For example, if there were already 2 Dahan in the land (both not participating in the Ravage) and 2 more arrive mid-Ravage due to a Blight Card, 1 of the new Dahan doesn't participate in Ravage while the other new Dahan does, since the Incarna prevents 3 total Dahan from participating.

  In the even more unusual case where you had previously determined whether or not an adjacent piece was participating in this Ravage and then that piece was moved in part way through the Ravage Action, stick with your original determination; don't re-check if the moved piece participates.
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• When a Ravage changes which pieces are in other lands, can that cause additional Ravages from the current Ravage Card?
  No. Determine which lands Ravage before resolving any of those Ravages. A land with no Invaders at this point won't Ravage even if Invaders are later added or moved there. However:

  • If a land already has Invaders participating in Ravage, the new Invaders also participate in that Ravage. Depending on how well the land is Defended and how many Dahan are present, this could be good (more Invaders destroyed in the counterattack) or bad (the Ravage now adds Blight from the extra Damage). You can resolve the two Ravages in whichever order is more advantageous.
  • If there's another Ravage Card this turn, that card can now cause Ravages in any matching lands that are no longer empty.

  This applies both to lands that "naturally" match the Ravage Card (e.g., a Jungle when the Ravage Card is Sands+Jungles) and to lands that match the Ravage Card due to an extra effect (e.g., lands with 3+ Explorers against the Tsardom of Russia Level 3+). Thus, for instance, against the Tsardom of Russia level 3+, if a Ravage pushes an Explorer by the Level 2 effect "A Sense for Impending Disaster", it can't cause a Ravage to happen by the Level 3 effect "Competition Among Hunters" from the same card, but can cause a Ravage from a following Ravage Card added by the Level 5 effect "Entrench in the Face of Fear."

  Explore and Build Cards work similarly, albeit without the concern around the amount of Damage.
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Spirits and Innate Powers

• If Exhale Confusion and Delirium stops Invaders with Strife from participating in Ravage, does Spread Tumult and Delusion still use that Strife to stop Dahan from participating as well?
  Yes, which pieces are participating in Ravage is determined simultaneously. There is no point at which the Strifed Invaders are not participating, but it's still undetermined if the Dahan will participate.
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• Is Lure of the Deep Wilderness' ability to ignore Explorers the same as saying those Explorers do not participate in Ravage?
  Yes. You may ignore Explorers for determining which lands Ravage and for individual Ravage actions, as per "does not participate in Ravage" (JE rulebook, p. 14; NI rulebook, p. 6).
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• With Unnerving Pall (from Shroud of Silent Mist), when do you choose which Invaders are participating in the Ravage? When the card is played, or at the time of the Ravage? What if new damaged Invaders move in?
  At the time of the Ravage Step / Ravage Action. It's not clearly worded, but the Power is modifying the land, much like when Dahan get +Health in a particular land.
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